- If he claims they came to him because he mentioned "politicians," then I would like to know which politicians came to him and whether it was, for example, a meeting with Mr. Kaczyński and Mr. Błaszczak, with Mr. Bielen and Mr. Kamiński? - Żukowska asked on "Gość poranka" on TVP INFO.

- If so, then for me, a very mysterious member of the ruling camp, because these are meetings that the Marshal first said didn't happen, then said there was only one. Earlier, he said he had never met President Kaczyński at all, he hadn't had that honor, then it turned out he had met him several times. For me, it is truly incomprehensible - she continued, when asked if Hołownia's recent meetings with politicians of various affiliations are part of his broader strategy.

- Then why did he run in the elections? Well, he ran to change something. That is, to change something means that something was wrong in his opinion, and he would like to change it for the better, as I presume, not for the worse. So, in the state, there is some dichotomy in this world, just like in any other, that there are better, worse, and completely bad things. For example, what is happening in the justice system is bad. Unfortunately, we have not managed to fix this so far, and it will certainly be difficult with the new president, but such an attempt must be made for the good of Polish men and women, for the certainty of rulings in the future - stated Anna-Maria Żukowska, when asked about Hołownia's words that in his political world there is no division between good and evil and he sees no two sides of the barricade.

- However, from my point of view, this is a kind of political naivety, which assumes that you can somehow arrange things with Jarosław Kaczyński, that it will be good, he will keep his word, and he has not traced all of this, that others were before him. There was Jarosław Gowin, there was Paweł Kukiz. Well, you just need to see where they are at the moment, what they mean in politics, what they are doing. Jarosław Kaczyński has simply used, stripped, and spat them all out - she continued.