- That's true, but we don't have to govern with either Tusk or Kaczyński. That is, it's not the case that PiS is just Jarosław Kaczyński. There are many sensible people in PiS, many people I agree with - Sławomir Mentzen said on Polsat News.

- This is an interesting matter: various politicians, even very highly placed ones in PiS, come to me who want to establish some form of cooperation - he continued.

- They say: probably, who knows, in two years maybe we will govern together, so it's worth preparing for this in advance, so as not to be surprised when power suddenly appears, and to already have some common discussed, thought-out projects, and they would like to start working on this, but they very much ask for discretion, so that Jarosław Kaczyński doesn't find out by accident, because as soon as he finds out, he will destroy them and their role in politics will end - he went on to say.

- There are many sensible people in PiS, it's just that unfortunately they got such a leader, not another one - he added.

- He really doesn't help in establishing any talks here, and even actively hinders them - he pointed out when asked about the chances of a coalition with PiS, but without Kaczyński.